Showing posts with label prophesy redefined. Show all posts
Showing posts with label prophesy redefined. Show all posts

Saturday, February 21, 2009

Redefining Prophecy

Remember my conclusion that today's teaching and practice of 'continued revelation' is dependent up a redefining of prophecy? As you may know, this has been a topic of interest to me for several years now and moved higher on my priority list as I work through my NANC Theology exam.

I find it very interesting and telling that even Wayne Grudem, who has been credited with formulating and introducing a 'lesser view' of prophecy, acknowledges promoting a 'new definition'. Robert L. Thomas quotes Grudem:

Grudem refers to his approach as "my somewhat new definition of the nature of Christian prophecy" (The Gift of Prophecy in 1 Corinthians, xv, italics added).

Source: 1992 Winter, Bibliotheca Sacra (Dallas Theological Seminary's theological journal), "Prophecy Rediscovered? A Review of "The Gift of Prophecy in the New Testament and Today".

My studies continue... :-)

Monday, February 16, 2009

Saucy on prophecy

Contemporary attempts to redefine Biblical prophecy argue for a 'lesser gift' which is not held to the same Biblical standard, nor is it considered authoritative.

However, in response to such attempts Robert L. Saucy reminds us:
"Prophecy in the biblical sense [is] speech which is inspired by the Spirit and therefore totally true and authoritative"

"we have seen nothing sufficient to overturn the traditional understanding of all genuine prophecy as speech directly inspired by the Spirit of God and therefore fully authoritative"

Robert L. Saucy, "Prophecy Today? An Initial Response", Sundoulos [Spring 1990]


(Source: Bibliotheca Sacra 150 (April-June 1993), F. David Farnell, "When Will the Gift of Prophecy Cease?")

Tuesday, January 13, 2009

'Prophesy' (aka: continued revelation) ~ THIS is what I've been saying...

…(most recently HERE, HERE, and HERE) for quite some time regarding present-day claims of prophesy by our Charismatic, Vineyard, Signs and Wonders, Pentecostal, Reformed Charismatic, and Charismatic Calvinist friends.

It also highlights why I’m not particularly a fan of Wayne Grudem’s—while I can and do respect him for his work in many areas, his understanding/position causes great concern in significant areas of theology and Xian practice. (Please always remember that one questioning, examining, and challenging the views of others does NOT equal attacking.)

In the second century, postapostolic Christianity faced a serious challenge from the prophetic crisis known as the "New Prophecy" or Montanism. This labeling of Montanism as the "New Prophecy" by its adherents shows why the early church rejected Montanism: it was "new" in that it differed markedly from the early church's understanding of the nature of New Testament prophets and prophecy. As noted, this understanding by the early church came from the standards set by the Old Testament for the evaluation of prophets. Before being checked, Montanism spread rapidly throughout the Greco-Roman world and quickly won many adherents, so that even the church father Tertullian was swept away by its claims. Such a sharp departure from accepted biblical norms of prophecy, especially in its content and manner of expression, caused great alarm. The crisis became so acute that the church struggled for decades to quell the swelling numbers of adherents to Montanism.

Now in the 20th century, Christianity is once again facing a prophetic crisis. Its original impetus occurred in the Pentecostal and charismatic movements, which developed in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Recently, however, the momentum has come from the Vineyard and the Signs and Wonders movements, which have spread rapidly among churches that have held traditionally to the "cessationist" viewpoint regarding New Testament prophecy. These groups essentially argue that prophets and prophecy are active today as they were in the first-century church.

Defense of this practice of "prophecy" has recently come from the work of Wayne A. Grudem, who is active in a Vineyard-affiliated church and is an associate professor of biblical and systematic theology at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Deer-field, Illinois. Grudem's arguments have become a primary justification for this form of "prophecy" not only in Vineyard fellowships but also among such groups as the Signs and Wonders movement and the Kansas City Fellowship of prophets. Accolades for his view are coming from within and without the charismatic and Pentecostal movements, while some express hope that this work could be used as a means of fostering dialogue between cessationists and noncessationists.

Since Grudem's work has become a mainstay of defense among charismatic groups and since calls for dialogue and unity between cessationists and noncessationists are being voiced based on his writings, his central thesis and major supporting arguments must be analyzed in order to determine their validity…

[Conclusion] In light of the substantial negation of the major premises of Grudem's hypothesis, his assertions regarding two forms of New Testament prophecy cannot stand. Close examination of his hypothesis reveals critical weaknesses and also outright contradictions of the biblical data. Hence this major justification of the practice of "congregational" prophecy among such charismatic groups as the Vineyard and Sign and Wonders movements evaporates. The idea of a bifurcation of the prophetic gift into two distinct forms has no support either from the biblical data or from the church's handling of the Montanist controversy in the second century. Such a hypothesis is also invalid for promoting dialogue between cessationist and noncessationist camps, because it does not provide valid grounds for the justification of the present practice of prophecy among noncessationist groups. Grudem's hypothesis also should be viewed with alarm. Since prophecy has the assumption of revelational authority from the Holy Spirit, the idea of "mistaken" prophecy has the potential of doing untold harm to the church.
(all emphasis mine)

Farnell, F. David, “Does The New Testament Teach Two Prophetic Gifts?”, Bibliotheca Sacra 150 (Jan-Mar 1993): 62-88

Sunday, November 12, 2006

Practicing Theology: "The Holy Spirit revealed to me...", or "God told me..."

"So, there is nothing new under the sun." Ecclesiastes 1:9

"Team Pyro" at Pyromaniacs is in the habit of posting one of Charles Spurgeon's sermons every weekend. This week the posted sermon deals with the matter of making claims such as "The Holy Spirit revealed to me...". Spurgeon's sermon serves as a reminder to us that there truly is NOTHING new under the sun--including the misuse and abuse of God and His Word.

There was a time during my early days as a Charismatic believer when I heard many claims tossed around--sadly, I was guilty of tossing some around myself--most served as an attempt to elevate the individual in some way. I now shudder as I remember the blatantly unbiblical things that were (and still are) proclaimed and held up as "God breathed".

If those who profess to be redeemed will devote their time, mind and energy to the things God has clearly revealed in his Word, they would have no "need" to add, embellish, or craft some new thought or understanding.

As Spurgeon has said, "Believer! there is enough in the Bible for thee to live upon for ever. If thou shouldst outnumber the years of Methusaleh, there would be no need for a fresh revelation; if thou shouldst live till Christ should come upon the earth, there would be no necessity for the addition of a single word; if thou shouldst go down as deep as Jonah, or even descend as David said he did, into the belly of hell, still there would be enough in the Bible to comfort thee without a supplementary sentence."

May we strive to know and share God's word which is more than sufficient and inexhaustible!