Showing posts with label Limited Atonement/Particular Redemption/Definite Atonement. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Limited Atonement/Particular Redemption/Definite Atonement. Show all posts

Tuesday, August 21, 2007

Definite Atonement...

Nope, I haven't forgotten about this! I'm still slowly picking my way through Gary Long's book and trying to decide how to pour the "ocean into a tea cup"--or at least suitably summarize his very detailed study in a post or two (or three, four, five...)!!!

Thanks for your patience--wouldn't you just like to buy the book and read it yourself? We could make it an online book discussion, 'kay???? :-)

Friday, July 27, 2007

Limited Atonement - Why bother?

Not long ago I posted on "Limited Atonement" (aka: definite atonement and particular redemption) HERE and HERE.

Since that time I've been reading "Definite Atonement" by Dr. Gary Long because a gentle reader brought up the matter of 2 Peter 2:1 and how she desired to understand it in the context of limited/definite atonement. It just so happens that Dr. Long devotes three appendices in his book to address three "problem verses", 2 Peter 2:1 being one of those!

First I must say that I'm grateful for the humble attitudes of my husband, who reminded me of Dr. Long's book, and that of Dr. Long himself. I have to admit that I was tempted to simply appeal to the "whole" of scripture on this matter allowing "scripture to interpret scripture", which I believe places the burden of proof on the shoulders of the Arminian and/or modified Calvinist (aka: universal Calvinist). However, had I done that I would have violated my own stated purpose of blogging, "...to continually sharpen my own mind and hone my communication skills as they relate to theology...see other Xian women become comfortable with and confident in their own theology". So, you might say that the Holy Spirit has once again taken me "behind the woodshed for a much-needed "whooping"--making me ever-thankful for God's mercy and grace to such a sinner as I. Sheewwwww, glad I got THAT off my chest!

I'm sure it goes without saying that I highly recommend you buy your own copy of Dr. Long's book, "Definite Atonement". While I will be relying on and quoting HEAVILY from it, it's just not like having your very own copy to mark and jot down questions/understandings in the margins!

I hope you'll enjoy the upcoming posts where I will be presenting and considering what Gary* has to say specifically on the 2 Peter passage.

*I hope you don't mind me calling him by his first name--I (we) have met him several times, talked to him on the phone ,and emailed him, so I think that grants me permission for using the doctor's first name, doesn't it?? Ha!

Monday, July 16, 2007

Limited Atonement - How S. Lewis Johnson came to understand it better



Many of you will recognize the distinguished gentleman pictured in the middle above--S. Lewis Johnson. But, I'll bet that few will recognize the man on the left--Gary D. Long, ThD. I took this picture during the annual "Sovereign Grace Conference" (not associated with C.J. Mahaney's ministry) held in Salado, Texas in October 2000.

I've posted this picture, along with comments below by S. Lewis Johnson, in order to introduce you to Dr. Long. According to S. Lewis, he owes a "personal debt" to Gary for his clearer "understanding and acceptance of consistent soteriological Calvinism". That may be surprising to many people because S. Lewis was a "giant" in his own right! But, what may surprise you even more is the fact that while Gary was a student of S. Lewis' at DTS, God used Gary's theological studies and discussions to impact S. Lewis' understanding of definite atonement! What an amazing example of God's grace and mercy to use a student to "teach" the teacher, and grant such humility to both men as they followed their Savior together!

It is Gary Long's book, "Definite Atonement"--an expansion of his master's thesis at DTS (1965-1972) first published in 1976--that I will be using for further discussion and posts on the topic of Definite/Limited Atonement. Please understand that I do NOT claim to fully understand or grasp this detailed work! However, I do claim that it has helped me immensely as I sort through the various supports of and objections to the doctrine of definite atonement, I hope it will be of help to you, too!

I offer you the following quotes from S. Lewis Johnson who wrote the Foreword to the book:

"My long friendship with Dr. Long goes back to the years in which he was a student and I a professor at Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas, Texas. In those days we had many conversations and times together...I look back upon those years as a time of further spiritual and theological growth for me."

"My own theological position at the time was what might be called Amyraldian, although not strictly true to historical Amyraldism, or hypothetical universalism. I frequently used the term, "four point Calvinist," to express my view...I really did believe in the bondage of the will and rejected the capital Arminian doctrine of free will, embraced by so many evangelicals calling themselves "Calvinists," or "mild Calvinists.""

"The personal debt that I owe to Dr. Long consists in the fact that, through our talks together and the further study of the question of particular redemption in the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, which they fostered, I was brought to an understanding and acceptance of consistent soteriological Calvinism."

"I am, therefore, very indebted to Dr. Long and to the insights that he shared with me concerning the biblical doctrine of grace. He was a fine student in his work at the seminary, and I believe that this is evidenced in his book, which was originally a master's thesis presented to the seminary as part of the requirements for the degree of Th.M."

"The method of treatment of the issue that Dr. Long has followed is both theological and exegetical. The first part of the work is theological, and the author argues persuasively and quite thoroughly for the accomplishment of a definite atonement by our Lord in His death upon Calvary's cross. As an Appendix he has treated in exegetical detail the leading texts offered by Arminians in objection to the author's position. The texts dealt with are 2 Peter 2:1, 1 John 2:2, and 2 Corinthians 5:19. Thus, there is both theology and exegesis in the defense."

"There are so many useful and helpful discussions of important aspects of the doctrine of God's grace in this book that I can only say, "Read it! Ponder it! And embrace the truth! It will be mind-clearing, heart-warming, and spiritually nourishing.""

"Perhaps I may be allowed to make one final comment. To my mind the concept of the universal and spiritually egalitarian love of God lies at the base of a great deal of the spiritual failure of our day. In fact, it is a doctrine that is eminently calculated to give comfort to the apathetic and indifferent among us, who seem to be dwelling in a spiritual coma."

"I heartily recommend Dr. Long's discussion of God's eternal love, immutable and distinguishing. It is surely a needed warning to the complacent and an antidote to evangelicalism's current superficiality in the preaching of divine grace."

Special thanks to my 'teacher' and best friend--my husband! When I first mentioned the discussion that had arisen and the passage in question he commented, "...it's a good question and a difficult passage...don't forget Gary Long's book on the topic..."

Thursday, July 12, 2007

Theology 101 - Objections to Limited Atonement

Recently I posted HERE an excerpt of what helped me better understand, and ultimately embrace Limited Atonement.

While making that post, I considered also including the "objections" to limited atonement from the same source, Berkhof's "Manual of Christian Doctrine", but decided not to for fear that the post would end up much longer than I wanted. Well, because there seems to be enough interest in this topic, I've decided to go ahead and post that portion from Berkhof's 'Manual' here for your consideration.

2. OBJECTIONS TO A LIMITED ATONEMENT. Several objections have been raised to the doctrine of a particular atonement, of which the following are the most important.

a. There are passages which teach that Christ died for the world, John 1:29; 3:16; I John 2:2; 4:14. The objectors proceed on the assumption that the word "world" in these passages always denotes all the individuals that constitute the world of humanity. But the word does not always have this meaning; its meaning is certainly more limited in Luke 2:1; 12:19. In the passages referred to it may simply serve to indicate that Christ died, not merely for the Jews, but for people of all the nations of the world.

b. Again, there are passages in which Christ is said to have died for all men, Rom. 5:18; I Cor. 15:22; II Cor. 5:14; I Tim. 2:4, 6; Tit. 2:11; Heb. 2:9, II Pet. 3:9. But the word "all" sometimes has a restricted meaning in Scripture, denoting all of a particular class, I Cor. 15:22; Eph. 1:23, or all kinds of classes, Tit. 2:11. If it were always taken in the absolute sense in the passages referred to by the objectors, some of these passages would teach that all men are actually saved, something which they themselves do not believe, cf. Rom. 5:18; I Cor. 15:22; Heb. 2:9, cf. v. 10.

c. Finally, it is said that the universal offer of salvation in the preaching of the word presupposes a universal atonement. If Christ did not die for all men, the offer of salvation cannot be extended to all in good faith. But the universal offer of salvation does not include the declaration that Christ made atonement for every individual; moreover, it is always conditioned by a faith and repentance that can only be wrought in the heart by the Holy Spirit. Only the elect comply with the requirements and thus receive the blessings of salvation.

I am working on another post responding to an excellent comment/question submitted to my initial post on the topic of Limited Atonement--stay tuned!

Monday, July 09, 2007

Theology 101 - The Extent of the Atonement (aka: Limited Atonement)

Back in the mid 80's when I began to understand and embrace Reformed Theology, the last point for me to whole-heartedly embrace and submit to was "limited atonement"--also known as particular redemption. I've found over the years that I'm not alone in this, many have wrestled long and hard over this one!

As I've mentioned many times before, one of my all-time favorite books is Louis Berkhof's Manual of Christian Doctrine. To be honest, it became my favorite because it so clearly presented and "nailed" limited atonement for me, perhaps it will help you, too!

Under the heading "The Extent of the Atonement", Berkhof has this to say--pay particular attention to the portion I've highlighted--that "nailed" it for me over 20 years ago!

It is generally admitted that the satisfaction rendered by Christ was in itself sufficient for the salvation of all men, though they do not attain unto salvation. There is a difference of opinion, however, as to the question, whether Christ suffered and died for the purpose of saving all men or only the elect.

1. THE LIMITED EXTENT OF THE ATONEMENT. Roman Catholics, Lutherans, and Arminians of every description, maintain that the atonement wrought by Christ is universal. This does not mean that in their estimation all men will be saved, but simply that it was the intent of the Father in sending Christ, and of Christ in the accomplishment of His redemptive work, to save them all without any exception. They all admit that , as a matter of fact, the intended effect is not achieved. In distinction from them the Reformed Churches believe in a limited atonement. They maintain that it was the intention of both the Father and the Son to save only the elect, a purpose that is actually accomplished. The advocates of a universal atonement assert that Christ merely made salvation possible for all men, and that their actual redemption is dependent on their own free choice. The advocates of a limited atonement, on the other hand, maintain that Christ actually saves to the uttermost every one of those for whom He has laid down His life. Not one of those for whom the price is paid finally falls short of salvation. The Bible clearly teaches that the effect of the work of Christ is not merely to make atonement possible, but to reconcile men to God and to put them in actual possession of eternal salvation, Luke 19:10; Rom. 5:10; II Cor. 5:21; Gal. 1:4; 3:13; Eph. 1:7. Moreover, it indicates in various ways that Christ laid down His life for a certain qualified number, for His people, Matt. 1:21, for His sheep, John 10:11, 15, for the Church, Acts 20:28; Eph. 5:25-27, or for the elect, Rom. 8:32-35. Moreover, if it was really the purpose of God to save all men, then we shall have to come to the conclusion that the divine purpose is frustrated by men, and this is an impossibility.